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From: noe...@apollo.hp.com (Noelie Alito)
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:27:28 GMT
Local: Tues, Sep 1 1992 4:27 pm
Subject: Re: Good basic book on nutrition
Alan> I'm looking for a good basic non-fringe book on nutrition, comprehensible
Alan> to a random like me, and up-to-date and accurate. Also practical (i.e. Alan> describes how matters of nutrition affect a proper diet, not just Alan> "this substance can have these effects"). Suggestions? Try Jane Brody's _Nutrition Book_ (_Good Nutrition Book_?), Jane Brody is the author of the bestelling _Good Food Book_, Her books are thick but very readable (standalone chapters, This book is not the be-all, end-all. It does not address I would appreciate hearing from anyone WHO HAS READ THIS BOOK Hope this helps. Noelie Alito noe...@apollo.hp.com You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: d...@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:32:28 GMT
Local: Thurs, Sep 10 1992 8:32 am
Subject: Re: Good basic book on nutrition
In article <BtwLHs....@apollo.hp.com> noe...@apollo.hp.com (Noelie Alito) writes: You really can't do much better than her books. I recommend all of 'em. > Try Jane Brody's _Nutrition Book_ (_Good Nutrition Book_?), > which should be available in any mainstream bookstore and is > IMO an excellent book for the layman. Flip through one: It > sounds just like what you are looking for. > I would appreciate hearing from anyone WHO HAS READ THIS BOOK > who can suggest one that has better/comparable coverage of this subject. -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: arte...@netcom.com (Michelle Dick)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 08:37:56 GMT
Local: Thurs, Sep 10 1992 10:37 am
Subject: Re: Good basic book on nutrition
In article <1992Sep10.063228.9...@spdcc.com> d...@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: I agree that her book is the best comprehensive nutrition book for the >In article <BtwLHs....@apollo.hp.com> noe...@apollo.hp.com (Noelie Alito) writes: >> Try Jane Brody's _Nutrition Book_ (_Good Nutrition Book_?), >You really can't do much better than her books. I recommend all of 'em. layperson currently on the market, but there were a few things in that bothered me. One was her statement that all diets should contain at least one Another is her very strong bias against msg, saccharin, and aspartame. And one last dig at an otherwise great book: the index is horrid. Try -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: d...@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:34:18 GMT
Local: Thurs, Sep 10 1992 3:34 pm
Subject: Re: Good basic book on nutrition
In article <vdtnxl+.arte...@netcom.com> arte...@netcom.com (Michelle Dick) writes: Are these HER guidelines? >One was her statement that all diets should contain at least one >tablespoon of polyunsaturated fat. If one follows the guidelines of >eating a diet with equal amounts of mono, poly, and saturated fat, >this would mean that all diets should contain at least 39 grams of fat I really think you've taken her recommendations much too literally >(26 grams if you eliminate all saturated fat). Granted very very few >people would get this low, but some diets on the market today >recommend 10% of calories from fat, which wouldn't yield 1 tablespoon >of polyunsaturated fat unless the individual was consuming 2340 >calories or more per day (3510 calories if saturated fat is also >consumed). This would make these diets actually dangerous if 1 >tablespoon was indeed the bodily requirement. and extrapolated them well outside of what she's saying. It's certainly not the case that everyone needs a tablespoon of polyunsaturated fat a day. >Another is her very strong bias against msg, saccharin, and aspartame. Interesting. I'll have to take another look; this didn't stick in my mind. >She presents the anti case in some depth, but only comments on >dissenting opinions in a backhanded way. E.g.: when commenting on >complaints about aspartame, she says "...the Council on Scientific >Affairs of the [AMA], *an organization not noted for aggressive action >to protect the public health*, has concluded that ' available evidence >suggests that consumption of aspartame by normal humans is safe and is >not associated with serious adverse health effects.'" Also, in >discussing MSG she tells a long tale about Chinese Restaurant Syndrome >but fails to mention that no double blind study has been able to >support the complaints. -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: arte...@netcom.com (Michelle Dick)
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:54:38 GMT
Local: Thurs, Sep 10 1992 5:54 pm
Subject: Re: Good basic book on nutrition
In article <1992Sep10.133418.23...@spdcc.com> d...@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: Other than noting that the body needs no saturated fat, and that less >In article <vdtnxl+.arte...@netcom.com> arte...@netcom.com (Michelle Dick) writes: >>One was her statement that all diets should contain at least one >>tablespoon of polyunsaturated fat. If one follows the guidelines of >>eating a diet with equal amounts of mono, poly, and saturated fat, >Are these HER guidelines? is better, she herself makes no explicit recommendation as to proportion. She does print a cute bar chart showing diet guidelines with 10% calories from each of poly, mono and sat fat. One topic I hope she might cover in a future edition is the possible role/benefit of monounsaturated oil (as opposed to poly). She has nothing on it in the current revision. Even with a diet containing no saturated fat, getting 1 tablespoon of polyunsaturated fat pushes most folks over 10% calories from fat. Later in the chapter she says you can go down to as little as 10% of calories as fat with no risk to health. Granted, it's a minor point, but it is an inconsistency. >I really think you've taken her recommendations much too literally Hmmm. Well, "Even strict low-fat diets should contain at least 1 >and extrapolated them well outside of what she's saying. It's certainly >not the case that everyone needs a tablespoon of polyunsaturated fat a day. tablespoon of such a polyunsaturated oil each day" is a pretty explicit recommendation. (page 56 in the updated edition). My statement was a paraphrase very close to her original statement, not an extrapolation. -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: ma...@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:17:03 GMT
Local: Fri, Sep 11 1992 3:17 pm
Subject: Re: Good basic book on nutrition
In article <-stnjlr.arte...@netcom.com> arte...@netcom.com (Michelle Dick) writes: How so? I would imagine that most folks eat well over 1200 calories a >Even with a diet containing no saturated fat, >getting 1 tablespoon of polyunsaturated fat pushes most folks over 10% >calories from fat. Later in the chapter she says you can go down to >as little as 10% of calories as fat with no risk to health. Granted, >it's a minor point, but it is an inconsistency. day, so 1T of fat would be under 10%, no? I also assume that what she means is essentially 10-15g of fat per day, Beth Mazur "...life is more than a vision. The sweetest You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: arte...@netcom.com (Michelle Dick)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 14:29:57 GMT
Local: Fri, Sep 11 1992 4:29 pm
Subject: Re: Good basic book on nutrition
In article <1992Sep11.131703.11...@inmet.camb.inmet.com> ma...@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>In article <-stnjlr.arte...@netcom.com> arte...@netcom.com (Michelle Dick) writes: Only if 100% of the fat you ate were polyunsaturated. You'd have to >>Even with a diet containing no saturated fat, >>getting 1 tablespoon of polyunsaturated fat pushes most folks over 10% >>calories from fat. Later in the chapter she says you can go down to >>as little as 10% of calories as fat with no risk to health. Granted, >>it's a minor point, but it is an inconsistency. >How so? I would imagine that most folks eat well over 1200 calories a have a mighty odd diet not to eat any saturated or monounsaturated fat. I think it is safe to presume that to get 1T of polyunsaturated fat in any sane and sustainable diet, you'd have to consume at least 2T of fat (thus meaning you'd have to consume at least 2600 calories). What makes polunsaturated fat a requirement is that it is a source of I'm not saying that its theoretically impossible to get 1T of Thus, I'm left with one of two alternatives: 1. A 10% fat diet is very unwise I'll vote for 2. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: ma...@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:14:22 GMT
Local: Sat, Sep 12 1992 1:14 am
Subject: Re: Good basic book on nutrition
In article <2pvnpvc.arte...@netcom.com> arte...@netcom.com (Michelle Dick) writes: Huh? Vegetables have so little fat as to make their fat content negligible. >I'm not saying that its theoretically impossible to get 1T of >polyunsaturated fat in a 10% fat diet, just that you'd really have to >work hard at it. Most vegetables have some of their fat as >monounsaturates, some with more mono than poly. >Thus, I'm left with one of two alternatives: A 10% fat diet is ridiculously extreme, except for the most anal retentive >1. A 10% fat diet is very unwise >I'll vote for 2. types. If you were crazy enough to try and follow a 10% fat diet, you probably wouldn't have that much of a problem ensuring that most of the fat you consumed was polyunsaturated. However, 1T of polyunsaturated fat is probably what most people I still think you are taking Brody too literally. She probably meant Anyways, it's not that I figure Brody cannot be mistaken, it's just that Now, if she had said amino acids helped cure depression, then you might Beth Mazur "...life is more than a vision. The sweetest You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: j...@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 18:37:09 GMT
Local: Tues, Sep 1 1992 8:37 pm
Subject: Re: Good basic book on nutrition
In article <17upsgINN...@agate.berkeley.edu> jaff...@zippy.sonoma.edu writes: "Nutrition Almanac" by Kirschenman (sp?) available in many health-food stores. >I'm looking for a good basic non-fringe book on nutrition, comprehensible >to a random like me, and up-to-date and accurate. Also practical (i.e. >describes how matters of nutrition affect a proper diet, not just >"this substance can have these effects"). Suggestions? You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: ma...@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:12:03 GMT
Local: Wed, Sep 2 1992 9:12 pm
Subject: Re: Good basic book on nutrition
In article <17upsgINN...@agate.berkeley.edu> jaff...@zippy.sonoma.edu writes: I'm partial to Jane Brody's "Good Food Book" as well as her book "Nutrition" >I'm looking for a good basic non-fringe book on nutrition, comprehensible >to a random like me, and up-to-date and accurate. Also practical (i.e. >describes how matters of nutrition affect a proper diet, not just >"this substance can have these effects"). Suggestions? which is a collection of articles she wrote for the New York Times. The Tufts Guide to Nutrition by Dr. Jean Meyer is also very readable. [ Note, these refs are from memory, please feel free to correct my errors. ] Beth Mazur "...life is more than a vision. The sweetest You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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