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1.  Steve Keppel-Jones  
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From: stev...@bnr.ca (Steve Keppel-Jones)
Date: 1998/02/01
Subject: Re: Not healthy, but does it work? No.

Steven B. Harris <sbhar...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>>:
>>:No.  If you eat 1000 calories a day, and it's all carbohydrate, you
>will
>>:actually *gain* fat (unless you are in your training heart activity
>range
>>:all day).

>    Baloney.  If you eat 1000 kcal a day of pure carbohydrate while
>remaining active,

That's why I put in the comment about heart activity range.

Steve


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2.  Barbara Cameron  
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From: Barbara Cameron <bcame...@istar.ca>
Date: 1998/02/03
Subject: Re: Not healthy, but does it work? No.

This is anecdotal but my friend is quite a bit overweight, she eats 900
calories/day. (And she is so truthful, she can't be lying) and she is
still gaining weight.
Barbara


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3.  pbeyer  
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Date: 1998/02/03
Subject: Re: Not healthy, but does it work? No.

Barbara Cameron wrote:

> This is anecdotal but my friend is quite a bit overweight, she eats 900
> calories/day. (And she is so truthful, she can't be lying) and she is
> still gaining weight.
> Barbara

> I had the opportunity to test a few folks who adamantly and honestly claimed they were gaining or maintaining weight on 800 calories--  They were first measured for RME resting metabolic expenditure using indirect calorimetry.  Many of these folks required less than one would expect but still needed more than 800 calories just at rest.  During the day they were able to select their foods from the hospital cafeteria.  What the individuals chose was rarely 800 calories-- one woman chose 450 calories just for breakfast (honestly thought the link sausages were only 70 calories each) and had no clue as to the caloric content of some of the mixed salads (some were in the range of 200-230 calories when they thought they were in the range of 60-100.  

I believe most folks who claim to eat only 800 calories (or whatever
level) aren't dishonest, just don't have a good idea for portion sizes
or understand caloric content.  Many overweight individuals may need
less than others of the same height/age but they are not likely to be
metabolic freaks.  It's tough to be on a diet and its tougher if one
only gets to eat say, 1200-1400 calories wothout gaining weight.
Pete MS, RD

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4.  Steven B. Harris  
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From: sbhar...@ix.netcom.com(Steven B. Harris)
Date: 1998/02/03
Subject: Re: Not healthy, but does it work? No.

In <6b66e6$...@news.inforamp.net> Barbara Cameron <bcame...@istar.ca>
writes:

>This is anecdotal but my friend is quite a bit overweight, she eats
900
>calories/day. (And she is so truthful, she can't be lying) and she is
>still gaining weight.
>Barbara

  Then she's simply mistaken.  Tell her to try this on 3 cans of Ensure
a day and nothing else but water.  She'll lose.

                                      Steve


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5.  suequill  
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From: suequill <suequ...@pan-tex.net>
Date: 1998/02/01
Subject: Re: Not healthy, but does it work?

Tracey, Hi!

Zev gave some very good advice.  The one thing you didn't mention is
how tall are you?  

Susie


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6.  Tracy  
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From: Tracy <Tr...@white-star.com>
Date: 1998/02/02
Subject: Re: Not healthy, but does it work?

> Zev gave some very good advice.  The one thing you didn't mention is
> how tall are you?

> Susie

Yes, I posted immediately following my original one that I am 5 feet,
8-1/2 inches tall.

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7.  BL 1204  
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From: bl1...@aol.com (BL 1204)
Date: 1998/02/01
Subject: Re: Not healthy, but does it work? No.

Phosphate supplementation prevents a decrease of triiodothyronine and increases
resting metabolic rate during low energy diet.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Abstract: Thirty overweight women participated in 8 week slimming program
consisting of a self-controlled low-energy diet (4.2 MJ/day) supplemented with
highly viscous fibres and mineral tablets containing calcium, potassium and
sodium phosphates (Redusan Combi, Biokraft Pharma AB, Sweden). Half of the
patients received in double blind manner mineral tablets during first 4 weeks
and placebo (without phosphates) during next 4 weeks (group 1) while the
remaining patients were treated (cross-over) with placebo first and mineral
tablets in the final period (group 2). The rate of weight loss was similar in
groups 1 and 2 (4.7 vs 5.2 kg during the first 4 weeks and 2.7 vs 3.0 kg in the
further 4 weeks). During periods of phosphate supplementation, the resting
metabolic rate (RMR) increased by approx. 12% (p < 0.05) in group 1 and 19% (p
< 0.05) in group 2. Phosphate supplementation ameliorated also a decrease in
plasma triiodothyronine level and a decrease in thyroxine to triiodothyronine
ratio. There were no differences between groups in the plasma insulin,
catecholamine, growth hormone, cortisol and testosterone levels. Phosphate
supplementation did not affect plasma lipids or blood glucose concentration. It
is concluded that phosphate supplementation in obese patients on a low-energy
diet enhances RMR irrespectively of the rate of weight loss. This effect seems
to be, at least partly, due to an influence of phosphates on peripheral
metabolism of thyroid hormones.

Author:

•Nazar K •Kaciuba-Usciko H •Szczepanik J •Zemba AW •Kruk B •Chwalbinska-Moneta
J •Titow-Stupnicka E •Bicz B •Krotkiewski M

Address: Department of Applied Physiology, Polish Academy of Sciences, Warsaw,
Poland.

Abbreviated Journal Title: J Physiol Pharmacol
Date Of Publication: 1996 Jun
Journal Volume: 47
Page Numbers: 373 through 383
Country of Publication: POLAND
Language of Article: Eng
Type Of Article:


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8.  JetsilverX  
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Subject: Re: Not healthy, but does it work? No.

>Phosphate supplementation prevents a decrease of triiodothyronine and
>increases
>resting metabolic rate during low energy diet.

Cola drinks are a good source of phosphates.

Jet Silverman  To email me, remove the x. (I won't buy from anyone who sends me
ads.)

If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people?


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9.  Alan Pollock  
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From: ne...@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)
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Subject: Re: Not healthy, but does it work? No.

JetsilverX (jetsilv...@aol.com) wrote:

:
:If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people?

Because they don't know they are happy. Nex

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then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira
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10.  Larry Cashion  
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From: Larry Cashion <l...@midcoast.com.au>
Date: 1998/02/02
Subject: Re: Not healthy, but does it work?

1. You're in stasis. Your body thinks it's in starvation mode (under the
circumstances you describe, I suppose it really is) and won't let go of
any calories unless it's for survival reasons.

2. You're probably carrying some excess fluid. If you're starving
yourself that much, you are probably not drinking enough either. This
means that your body feels dehydrated and won't let go of any fluid
unless it has to - you have probably even found that you sweat less
during exercise.

3. Calories aren't calories. Some are easier/harder to digest and may
play havoc with your metabolism, especially under the stressful
conditions you describe. Some can be more easily converted into stored
fat than others, but anything can be converted to fat by your body under
the right (read as 'extreme') conditions - yes, you quite likely
qualify.

Larry Cashion
Port Macquarie, AUSTRALIA
l...@midcoast.com.au


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